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Title: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: Criminal on October 13, 2007, 10:25:30 pm
(REOPENED by Dizzy 1014)

Dizzy, Captain, and I had a discussion about the clan and me and Captain purposed two things that needed attention in this clan:

Appoint a recruiting officer:
we need recruiting officer because Dizzy knows best that there are VERY MANY people trying to get in AV. the recruiting officer will try out applicants who want in, if the load is to big for one man, then we will have more then 1 recruiting officer.

Full out member status look over:
It is obvious that our clan isn't winning much.... at all. We need to appoint some one to be in charge of a full out check and look over of the current members skills, are they good enough, and where and what they want to be doing. this means are they TW or CTF and if they are TW then what position and if they are CTF then what are there strengths. the Member status check will be like recruiting everyone again. this is needed to get our members organized, and remove those who are dragging us down. as for the trainees we should just check up on their progress.

The ones we appoint to carry out these tasks should not include Dizzy. Dizzy has enough to worry about, take care of, and schedule already.
so anything u guys would change about this plan? do u think this is all unessesary? if you do agree then who do u think should be appointed?

Who i think should be appointed as recruiting officer is Sukie (Tsukan), and/or Braco
Sukie and Braco have been in this clan a long time, they have good skill to compare recruits too, and they are righteous dudes.

clan status check officers i think should be ShazMan, and/or me (CriminalJoe), and/or Captain.
ShazMan is the CTF captain and is a dude who knows whats up. Me and Captain feel we already have a good idea who is gonna be good where, and me and him are the dudes who made up this entire idea.

lets here your nominations!!


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: Captain on October 13, 2007, 10:30:07 pm
 ;) I think Shazman and you, but I wanna spec Shazman D:<

Tsu Tsu Train for Recruiter, and definitely Braco as load-lifter :D

Hurraaa!!!


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: Armageddon on October 13, 2007, 10:34:29 pm
Yeah, those sound like good ideas and should definitely be taken into consideration.  ;) My nominations are Cr4cer for recruiting officer (although I'm not sure if he has been on much lately), and ShazMan for full out member status look over.


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: dester2 on October 13, 2007, 10:35:05 pm
i have to agree with capt i do beleive he has read my thought


........ he b a demon


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: Zeirafri on October 13, 2007, 10:36:11 pm
Yes!Lets do it.


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: Zeirafri on October 13, 2007, 10:41:30 pm
Oh i forgot i vote for Criminal


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: braco1127 on October 13, 2007, 11:32:55 pm
;) I think Shazman and you, but I wanna spec Shazman D:<

Tsu Tsu Train for Recruiter, and definitely Braco as load-lifter :D

Hurraaa!!!

hehe :D
happy i was mentioned
.............
i think lol
yea i got karro in :D hehean hes preety good
ima try an get more ppl but good luck on it


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: ShazMan on October 14, 2007, 12:48:01 am
I pretty much already have all this covered! I've been recruiting people into the CTF side, and pretty much completely know what's up with my CTF dudes. We haven't had much to do on the CTF side in a while primarily because we're still training and setting up relations with other clans (without RE we have a lot of space to fill)

Topic over!

ps: It's still a nice sentiment, and it's nice to see people so concerned for the well being of AV


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: soldatdizzy on October 14, 2007, 03:12:59 pm
ps: It's still a nice sentiment, and it's nice to see people so concerned for the well being of AV

Unlocked for that reason.  I don't want to discourage people from discussing these things openly.  Here's the quotes from the other thread (messy, messy, guys  ???)

Shaz said this in the last thread:
Quote
I pretty much already have all this covered! I've been recruiting people into the CTF side, and pretty much completely know what's up with my CTF dudes. We haven't had much to do on the CTF side in a while primarily because we're still training and setting up relations with other clans (without RE we have a lot of space to fill)

Topic over!

no, you cant be recruiter Shaz lol, uve been recruiting people without even trying them out (like shank) ur a horrible recruiter lol

topic isn't over buddy

Shank pwns, wtf are you talking about Criminal!  Eh, also plz don't try an end-run around our co-leader like this again, it's a bit disrespectful.  I do agree with you about unlocking the topic however the ideal thing you should have done was PM Shaz or myself and request an unlock.

Speaking for the TW team the roster is full and therefore and recruitment is closed.  The TW practice sessions are usually hitting a really good activity level.  But they are 'short' people more often than they are 'overfull' therefore we are not cutting anyone from the Soldier list at this time.  Besides which I think that the Soldier roster is very solid and that I have been taking the best team available into CW's. 

There is a rank in AV already that is expected to help with these duties and that is Captain.  Yes, the TW team could benefit from another Captain or two but I haven't yet decided who I think can fill the role.  I'll definitely take these expressed recommendations under advisement.

I am about to cast a hairy eyeball on some of the trainees, however.  Honestly, so far I don't see any Eckos, Desters or Tsukans in the current crop.

I honestly believe that the path to AVTW's first victory is through building this clan, not by trimming it.  If you are concerned about our War Record ratio then you should:
 - show up for practices early and often
 - stay on top of the CW schedule by clicking the notify button at the top of the Announcements board, and/or enable notification for Announcements in your profile so that you will get emailed well in advance of these events
 - get out there and start getting scrims for yourselves.  You don't need approval for this, and the Hizzle is set up so that you can basically run a match yourselves.


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: Criminal on October 14, 2007, 04:14:58 pm
tanx for reopening, shaz has gone lock crazy lately, he locked 3 topics in one day, yesterday, like it is something to do xD
ill rethink the way to reopen topics if there is a next time.

Shank pwns, wtf are you talking about Criminal!
When shank was asked if he was tryed out, he said no, Shaz had just let him in.

im confused on what u said here
Speaking for the TW team the roster is full and therefore and recruitment is closed.
I honestly believe that the path to AVTW's first victory is through building this clan, not by trimming it.

how can we build the clan is recruitment is closed? did you mean building it as is us getting better?
my idea is having us recruit those who could improve our clan and record, and drop people who are inactive and not helping or record. in doing this we will still have the same amount of people in the clan.

if you dont understand how this works then hopefully this will explain:
let say we have 20 people in the clan. we add one person from recruiting and now we have 21 people. then we drop one person (lets say because they are inactive) and then we have 20. so we end up having the same number of people we had before, except the difference is our clan is better. mathematically shown: (20 + 1) - 1 = 20          20 = 20

if im right, dizzy doesn't support the new changes, then the vote is 6 to 2 in favor of the new changes.

recruiting officer votes:
Tsukan: 3
Braco: 2
Cr4cer: 1

Member status check nominations:
CriminalJoe: 4
ShazMan: 4

Braco voted for Karro, but he didn't say for what position. ill ask him when ever i see him.


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: Captain on October 14, 2007, 04:18:30 pm
 :-* Well played sir...Well played.. ;D


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: ShazMan on October 14, 2007, 05:57:09 pm
Again, you're really not seeming to grasp the situation and that's why the previous topics were locked.

I didn't try out shank because I ALREADY KNEW WHAT HE COULD DO. I KNEW WHAT HE WAS CAPABLE OF FROM MONTHS OF PLAYING WITH HIM.


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: dester2 on October 14, 2007, 08:11:59 pm
Shazz ur like shitting urself...... wow tht was wrong any way dude we could still use te demos of evryone and trying out is a great way


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: shank on October 14, 2007, 08:14:14 pm
alright anyone who questions me for not being tryed out i will one vs one if you really need me too, other wise stop questioning shaz


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: Criminal on October 14, 2007, 08:36:30 pm
whoa Shaz chill the **** out. i heard about it from someone else man, just calm the **** down. i dont got a problem with shank, hes a cool dude and people tell me hes got mad skills, but look at it from my perspective. if some 1 was recruiting any one who said they might be interested then my bet is ud have a problem with it.

lets not get to excited about this **** and continue the thread.


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: ShazMan on October 14, 2007, 09:23:31 pm
.

that is all.


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: ShazMan on October 15, 2007, 06:51:48 pm
Quote from: dester
Shazz ur like shitting urself...... wow tht was wrong any way dude we could still use te demos of evryone and trying out is a great way

dester i don't think you understand the fact that he is just NOT GETTING IT

anyway yeah, time for longpost



"The ones we appoint to carry out these tasks should not include Dizzy. Dizzy has enough to worry about, take care of, and schedule already.
so anything u guys would change about this plan? do u think this is all unessesary? if you do agree then who do u think should be appointed?"


 
Hey guess what, I have a lot to worry about, schedule, and take care of too, however, I'm fine with it! Yes I do think this is unnecessary, I already have ALL OF THIS handled for the CTF side! Be patient, this stuff WILL be handled!


"It is obvious that our clan isn't winning much.... at all. We need to appoint some one to be in charge of a full out check and look over of the current members skills, are they good enough, and where and what they want to be doing. this means are they TW or CTF and if they are TW then what position and if they are CTF then what are there strengths. the Member status check will be like recruiting everyone again. this is needed to get our members organized, and remove those who are dragging us down. as for the trainees we should just check up on their progress."



How arrogant. PLAY TO WIN PLAY TO WIN PLAY TO WIN. I don't think you understand that I know what I'm doing with my CTF troops. In fact, the CW-ready team will probably be posted some time today.


"we need recruiting officer because Dizzy knows best that there are VERY MANY people trying to get in AV. the recruiting officer will try out applicants who want in, if the load is to big for one man, then we will have more then 1 recruiting officer."


AV CTF captains can already do this. That's pretty much the reason they are there, to handle cws when I'm not around, to recruit people when I'm not around. I can recruit people too, and have! In fact (again), I'll probably post about our new recruits in a bit as well!

So as far as the first post goes, CTF recruitment is being handled and CTF look-overs are unnecessary since I know what I'm doing as far as evaluating members' skills goes.

As far as TW stuff goes, I'm quoting dizzy:

Quote from: Dizzy
Speaking for the TW team the roster is full and therefore and recruitment is closed.  The TW practice sessions are usually hitting a really good activity level.  But they are 'short' people more often than they are 'overfull' therefore we are not cutting anyone from the Soldier list at this time.  Besides which I think that the Soldier roster is very solid and that I have been taking the best team available into CW's.

There is a rank in AV already that is expected to help with these duties and that is Captain.  Yes, the TW team could benefit from another Captain or two but I haven't yet decided who I think can fill the role.  I'll definitely take these expressed recommendations under advisement.

I am about to cast a hairy eyeball on some of the trainees, however.  Honestly, so far I don't see any Eckos, Desters or Tsukans in the current crop.

I honestly believe that the path to AVTW's first victory is through building this clan, not by trimming it.  If you are concerned about our War Record ratio then you should:
 - show up for practices early and often
 - stay on top of the CW schedule by clicking the notify button at the top of the Announcements board, and/or enable notification for Announcements in your profile so that you will get emailed well in advance of these events
 - get out there and start getting scrims for yourselves.  You don't need approval for this, and the Hizzle is set up so that you can basically run a match yourselves.

Moving on...

"how can we build the clan is recruitment is closed? did you mean building it as is us getting better?
my idea is having us recruit those who could improve our clan and record, and drop people who are inactive and not helping or record. in doing this we will still have the same amount of people in the clan."


Jesus christ this is just so ridiculous. PLAY TO WIN PLAY TO WIN. DROP THE PEOPLE THAT WON'T HELP US WIN IN CWS PLAY TO WIN PLAY TO WIN.

The newer people really benefit from the clan experience, and if you're thinking of taking that away from them, **** you, buddy!
The new people can still play in practices and scrims to help them get better, and improve their skills to eventually become as awesome as some of our AV regulars. It's not about quantity dude, I don't really care about how many people we have in the clan, it's about having fun!
Hell, FGT had 3 guys in it and we had an AMAZING time playing soldat!


Anyway, don't count the fact that it's six to two as a victory. The fact that the ADMINISTRATION disagrees isn't really a good thing, you know.
I really, really dislike this undermining, subordination bullshit but as far as dizzy says I have to leave the TOPIC open. That doesn't mean that I can't disagree and veto your new systems however!

HEH SHAZTYRANT STRIKES AGAIN


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: ShazMan on October 15, 2007, 07:02:18 pm
ps...

"but look at it from my perspective. if some 1 was recruiting any one who said they might be interested then my bet is ud have a problem with it."

That's honestly a completely different situation from what happened with shank and YOU KNOW IT. I honestly believe you're just a jealous, spiteful dude. Shank wasn't just SOME GUY who was interested, he IS a good friend of mine AND a very good CTF player. I knew his skills and what he could bring to the clan when I recruited him, I didn't just pick him up randomly from some pub!

I trust my captains enough, to the point that I would welcome ANYONE they recruit.


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: Shinobi on October 15, 2007, 10:42:23 pm
The edit button is now obsolete. Needs for triple posting are rising...

:3


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: Criminal on October 15, 2007, 11:20:54 pm
the new changes that i suggest aren't going to be totally carried out the way i listed. but i have done what i set out to do. now the clan and the leaders have realized the flaws in the clan structure and its good to here that Dizzy others are working it through. now that they are noticed, me and the other clanies will be patient and wait for them to be handled.

every 1 wins!


as for shaz, stop hating man, be rational for once.

Hey guess what, I have a lot to worry about, schedule, and take care of too, however, I'm fine with it!
every 1 does dude. the thing is, Dizzy has more then every 1 else.

. I don't think you understand that I know what I'm doing with my CTF troops. In fact, the CW-ready team will probably be posted some time today.
ur right, i didn't know that and neither did the majority of us. ty for clarifying.

AV CTF captains can already do this. That's pretty much the reason they are there, to handle cws when I'm not around, to recruit people when I'm not around.
some recruiting has worked out but we have turned down many people from joining AV without a tryout or chance to get in. having some 1 specifically in charge of recruitment is a great way to give these applicants (who would other wise have no way whatsoever of joining) a chance to get in.

The newer people really benefit from the clan experience, and if you're thinking of taking that away from them, **** you, buddy!
are u stupid or some ****? where the hell did i ever say anything against new people? go bad and read my posts dude, ull realize im all for newer people. in fact half of this thread is about making away so new people can come in.

I don't really care about how many people we have in the clan
your the only one who doesn't care


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: ShazMan on October 15, 2007, 11:24:59 pm
Well, after thinking this over I'll just end the conversation at that since I was meshing you and Captain together rather than addressing just Captain's ridiculous activities.

Although I may disagree with your opinions a bit, I'll quit arguing with you.


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: Criminal on October 15, 2007, 11:36:07 pm
ps...

"but look at it from my perspective. if some 1 was recruiting any one who said they might be interested then my bet is ud have a problem with it."

That's honestly a completely different situation from what happened with shank and YOU KNOW IT. I honestly believe you're just a jealous, spiteful dude. Shank wasn't just SOME GUY who was interested, he IS a good friend of mine AND a very good CTF player. I knew his skills and what he could bring to the clan when I recruited him, I didn't just pick him up randomly from some pub!

I trust my captains enough, to the point that I would welcome ANYONE they recruit.

i dont got a problem with shank, hes a cool dude and people tell me hes got mad skills, but look at it from my perspective. IF some 1 was recruiting any one who said they might be interested then my bet is ud have a problem with it.

IF implies i knew that wasn't the case, so yea i do know it. saying im jealous of him, jealous of what?? i dont know his skills first hand yet, how could i be jealous?? sounds to me like uve run out of ways to make me look bad.


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: soldatdizzy on October 16, 2007, 12:53:51 am
(Moderator intercession) - the above post by Criminal originally contained some unnecessary vulgarities.  Plus I think it really wierd that he replies to an apology from Shaz by dragging up some crap from EVEN EARLIER.  I personally talked to Criminal and invited him to modify his post and he has done so (not as much as I would have liked, mind you), but not before there were a couple of replies from Shaz and Dester.  For the record, these have been deleted by me, I invite people to continue the conversation if they think they can keep their cool.

This thread obviously contains some unresolved issues and so it's going to be allowed to continue for the time being.  However, this thread is being put on full lock-down as far as personal attacks.  The next vulgarity, profanity, personal attack is gonna get a very serious warning.  We are also going to further enforce some basic mutual respect in here as far as the following rule:

If you say anything, that it is obvious that your clanmember considers as insulting in their next post, then YOUR next post begins with an apology PERIOD.


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: ShazMan on October 16, 2007, 10:31:19 am
Just to make this clear:

The Clan Overseer position and the Recruitment officer positions will NOT be implemented, as the AV Captain position and the AV Leader positions can already take care of these things.

As far as the CTF side goes, everything is staying the same.

Thank you for your concerns, though.


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: shank on October 17, 2007, 02:21:49 pm
you all should just stop this **** i dont have the patience to read 10000000 line posts lol


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: Shinobi on October 17, 2007, 02:31:16 pm
Then don't, Shanky. ;3

Tip, Shaz. You need to stay on your members' good sides. Make sure to at least consider any and all suggestions they give to you (and I'm not saying you haven't, for I don't really remember all that's been said in here). It will give them some sense of satisfaction that they may be helping their clan, and it will appease their honor. Along with that, it will give you added respect and thusly people will want to listen to your opinion more.

No matter how idiotic or strange an idea is from a member, entertain it with the same serious quality you would with a very great idea. Treat all ideas as if they are worth your time, for, if they did come from a fellow clan member that serves under you, it IS worth your time. Now, disagreeing with an idea is fine. But don't let an argument break out through your disagreement. Listen to what your debating opponent has to say, and then see if they may have some line of reasoning underneath what they believe.

If you still can't see it, at least don't let the conversation develop into an argument. That is YOUR responsibility, as a leader of /\\/. You have to put a stop to all harmful behavior and YOU have to be the one to man up and stop any arguments. Especially if you are party to the argument. Don't let any anger build up between you and the members in your control. Gain their respect by respecting them in return.
_

Fear my intrusions. They shall devour you all! *evil laughter*


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: shank on October 17, 2007, 04:30:57 pm
hey why r u on the forums anyways :3


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: Shinobi on October 17, 2007, 04:32:44 pm
'cause I'm sexy like that.


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: tsukan on October 17, 2007, 05:48:59 pm
Like Shinobi  said, pay attention and show respect towards their opinions, It'll gain you more respect, and keep good feeling between clan members. However, I'm not saying that this all falls on you, as it is up to both sides to consider and treat each other's opinions with respect, or else little good will come from the discussion. For instead of the potential for our members to harbor more respect for each other by being able to remain clearheaded and civil even in disagreement,  it will only lead to more conflict within our clan, and lower the respect of others towards us as well.

*deflects evil laughter back at Shinobi*

EDIT: added a tpyo


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: ShazMan on October 17, 2007, 07:33:11 pm
Then don't, Shanky. ;3

Tip, Shaz. You need to stay on your members' good sides. Make sure to at least consider any and all suggestions they give to you (and I'm not saying you haven't, for I don't really remember all that's been said in here). It will give them some sense of satisfaction that they may be helping their clan, and it will appease their honor. Along with that, it will give you added respect and thusly people will want to listen to your opinion more.

No matter how idiotic or strange an idea is from a member, entertain it with the same serious quality you would with a very great idea. Treat all ideas as if they are worth your time, for, if they did come from a fellow clan member that serves under you, it IS worth your time. Now, disagreeing with an idea is fine. But don't let an argument break out through your disagreement. Listen to what your debating opponent has to say, and then see if they may have some line of reasoning underneath what they believe.

If you still can't see it, at least don't let the conversation develop into an argument. That is YOUR responsibility, as a leader of /\\/. You have to put a stop to all harmful behavior and YOU have to be the one to man up and stop any arguments. Especially if you are party to the argument. Don't let any anger build up between you and the members in your control. Gain their respect by respecting them in return.
_

Fear my intrusions. They shall devour you all! *evil laughter*

actually because of this i am completely disregarding any suggestions coming from AV ctf players

I MEAN

tsukan check your inbox :]


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: tsukan on October 17, 2007, 09:16:12 pm
Hmm, it seems that some people completely missed my point.


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: ShazMan on October 17, 2007, 10:15:49 pm
It seems you are obviously not listening to what I am saying either

BOLD


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: Captain on October 22, 2007, 10:03:41 pm
Above, another ignorant post brought to us by Shaz. Hey Shaz, start treating people with respect, you banned me for a small joke, whether for or not, you don't do that. I'll post something about some of this stuff  ;)


Title: Re: THE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED
Post by: ShazMan on October 23, 2007, 10:22:27 am
we already talked this over and resolved this too.