ok dudes dont read this unless u read it to understand my perspective, and not read it to find some way to flame me
everything ive said and about to say has and will disprove how it is mentioned i strive to WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN!!!

what i told dizzy about DO was that they have a expert in almost every gun. Is that being a sly weasel who goes around being a fag just to benefit yourself?

.......no, not a big deal, so stop feeding on it

sure, lets say that spying is an outrageous argument that would never ever EVER happen because we are all children of god and every one of us is fair and equal. to think any of us would take another's strategies is a preposterous idea and anyone who purposes it is the devil and must be flamed. obviously extremely exaggerated  but u get my point: we will put aside the reason spying

i still have more valid arguments that you would notice if you read my posts:
1. AV practices are for AV to practice (as the name implies duh)
2. AV member is priority #1 next to non-AV member
3. The Hizzle is an AV server
4. non-AV's can practice, play, chill and have fun, hangout, show off, self improve, and what ever else they want in the Hizzle when ever they 5. Too get organized with our clan, you must practice with your clan

reason #4 is the reason u guys keep over looking in all my posts. its not like i want non-AV's to never come in to the Hizzle!
To address the second argument, it's PERFECTLY alright if non-AVs play in practices. It will not only enrich our clan relations, but give us a chance to experience playing with new people.
I totally agree and i think that your right it is very good for our clan, their clans, every member of the clans, and for soldat overall! but not in AV practice. AV practice is a time for AV members to get organized with each other and for AV to improve. thats the definition of practice anyways. its just not logical for non-AV's to be in AV practice.

one a side note: i dont respect how your coming at me shaz
you're a sly weasel who goes around being a fag just to benefit yourself
just..... chillax.....

i dont got a problem with shank, hes a cool dude and people tell me hes got mad skills, but look at it from my perspective. IF some 1 was recruiting any one who said they might be interested then my bet is ud have a problem with it.

IF implies i knew that wasn't the case, so yea i do know it. saying im jealous of him, jealous of what?? i dont know his skills first hand yet, how could i be jealous?? sounds to me like uve run out of ways to make me look bad.

the new changes that i suggest aren't going to be totally carried out the way i listed. but i have done what i set out to do. now the clan and the leaders have realized the flaws in the clan structure and its good to here that Dizzy others are working it through. now that they are noticed, me and the other clanies will be patient and wait for them to be handled.

every 1 wins!


as for shaz, stop hating man, be rational for once.

Hey guess what, I have a lot to worry about, schedule, and take care of too, however, I'm fine with it!
every 1 does dude. the thing is, Dizzy has more then every 1 else.

. I don't think you understand that I know what I'm doing with my CTF troops. In fact, the CW-ready team will probably be posted some time today.
ur right, i didn't know that and neither did the majority of us. ty for clarifying.

AV CTF captains can already do this. That's pretty much the reason they are there, to handle cws when I'm not around, to recruit people when I'm not around.
some recruiting has worked out but we have turned down many people from joining AV without a tryout or chance to get in. having some 1 specifically in charge of recruitment is a great way to give these applicants (who would other wise have no way whatsoever of joining) a chance to get in.

The newer people really benefit from the clan experience, and if you're thinking of taking that away from them, **** you, buddy!
are u stupid or some ****? where the hell did i ever say anything against new people? go bad and read my posts dude, ull realize im all for newer people. in fact half of this thread is about making away so new people can come in.

I don't really care about how many people we have in the clan
your the only one who doesn't care

lmao nice touch xD

whoa Shaz chill the **** out. i heard about it from someone else man, just calm the **** down. i dont got a problem with shank, hes a cool dude and people tell me hes got mad skills, but look at it from my perspective. if some 1 was recruiting any one who said they might be interested then my bet is ud have a problem with it.

lets not get to excited about this **** and continue the thread.

ok dude why dont u go read my posts again and chill out. spying is just one of my arguments why it should be AV's only. there are people who cheat in this world dude. for instance, ive told Dizzy some info on DO that they let slip.

why u getting so hype man? when ur around for next practice u go ahead and organize who's in and who's specing, but if we have a problem were gonna fix it, not "suck it up". thats like your house getting robbed and you dont do **** about it.

lets post some logical thoughts here not some irrational tyrant crap.

tanx for reopening, shaz has gone lock crazy lately, he locked 3 topics in one day, yesterday, like it is something to do xD
ill rethink the way to reopen topics if there is a next time.

When shank was asked if he was tryed out, he said no, Shaz had just let him in.

im confused on what u said here

how can we build the clan is recruitment is closed? did you mean building it as is us getting better?
my idea is having us recruit those who could improve our clan and record, and drop people who are inactive and not helping or record. in doing this we will still have the same amount of people in the clan.

if you dont understand how this works then hopefully this will explain:
let say we have 20 people in the clan. we add one person from recruiting and now we have 21 people. then we drop one person (lets say because they are inactive) and then we have 20. so we end up having the same number of people we had before, except the difference is our clan is better. mathematically shown: (20 + 1) - 1 = 20          20 = 20

if im right, dizzy doesn't support the new changes, then the vote is 6 to 2 in favor of the new changes.

recruiting officer votes:
Tsukan: 3
Braco: 2
Cr4cer: 1

Member status check nominations:
CriminalJoe: 4
ShazMan: 4

Braco voted for Karro, but he didn't say for what position. ill ask him when ever i see him.

im not asking for the Hizzle to be an AV only server. i think that having it open to other clans is great and i agree it does benefit us in several different ways. i dont think they were being disrespectful, they were just coming in on a server to play. i dont hate them for doing it.

i would just like if AV practice was for AV, and AV only. when it isn't AV practice time then non-AV's should be more then welcome in the hizzle, practically invited.

the vote 4 to 2 so far, its in favor of the our clan that we have the practices for AV's. Shaz maybe you should look at it from our point of view, like Dizzy.

quote from Shaz:
what are u, Dizzy's supervisor now or something?

(REOPENED by Dizzy 1014)

Dizzy, Captain, and I had a discussion about the clan and me and Captain purposed two things that needed attention in this clan:

Appoint a recruiting officer:
we need recruiting officer because Dizzy knows best that there are VERY MANY people trying to get in AV. the recruiting officer will try out applicants who want in, if the load is to big for one man, then we will have more then 1 recruiting officer.

Full out member status look over:
It is obvious that our clan isn't winning much.... at all. We need to appoint some one to be in charge of a full out check and look over of the current members skills, are they good enough, and where and what they want to be doing. this means are they TW or CTF and if they are TW then what position and if they are CTF then what are there strengths. the Member status check will be like recruiting everyone again. this is needed to get our members organized, and remove those who are dragging us down. as for the trainees we should just check up on their progress.

The ones we appoint to carry out these tasks should not include Dizzy. Dizzy has enough to worry about, take care of, and schedule already.
so anything u guys would change about this plan? do u think this is all unessesary? if you do agree then who do u think should be appointed?

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Who i think should be appointed as recruiting officer is Sukie (Tsukan), and/or Braco
Sukie and Braco have been in this clan a long time, they have good skill to compare recruits too, and they are righteous dudes.

clan status check officers i think should be ShazMan, and/or me (CriminalJoe), and/or Captain.
ShazMan is the CTF captain and is a dude who knows whats up. Me and Captain feel we already have a good idea who is gonna be good where, and me and him are the dudes who made up this entire idea.

lets here your nominations!!

A problem has arrived in our usual AV practices in the Hizzle. AV members should be practicing during AV practice time, not other clans right?

Today was a usual AV CTF practice. we were on around the 5th map when non-AV people started showing up. Captain (AV member duh) seemed to notice tis first and told them to get out of the AV practice. they didn't so he went into spectator and talked to Dizzy (the clan leader duh) about making the non-AV's leave. at about that time i noticed our own Mastermew (AV member duh) iin spectator asking if some 1 would leave so he could play. i had played every map since start so i joined spectator to let him in. When i went to spectator there were Dizzy and Captain arguing about making the non-AV get out, or join spec. i checked the score board and this is what i saw:

a couple AV members actively playing
more AV member in Spec then actively playing
non-AV members actively playing, taking the places of spec'ed AV's who want in on the AV practice

i questioned Dizzy about the situation alongside Captain who had been already arguing. Dizz says "It is tradition to let non-AV member in the Hizzle". The problem me and Captain argued it was AV practice time in an AV server, that is for the AV. The non-AV's were learning our tactics and taking the place of AV's that should be practicing, after all this was an AV PRACTICE.

its ok non-Av's are in the Hizzle when were not practicing, but when we are it should be AV's only!

killa..........

very original name!!!! :O!

i dont remember that alliance either, maybe they are in soldat syndicate or some thing like that. look out for spys man they are tricky lil bastards
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shank sounds clean though, welcome to the moothafrughan clan

we need a new front line and starters man

was i in this 1??? i cant remember -_-

Same here i listen to music all the time when im playing. if you haven't experienced listening to some hardass death metal flying through the blood and body parts of the poor guy u just owned, then you haven't really played yet.

i listen to mostly death metal while playing, bands like Nile, Deicide, Slipknot, Lamb Of God, Behemoth, Job For a Cowboy, Despised Icon, Zao, Waking The Cadaver.... etc u get the idea \,,/, -_- ,\,,/

Dizz rules!

no it wasn't my first tw map

why is Dante the #1 MM >:O i call sudden death match on a log over sharp deadly spikes